[Feedback] Feedback and Comments for Wealthpoint Rules and Guidelines - Page 2 - Friendly Traders Financial Trading Community

tushar · 2008-Oct-08, 12:07 AM

Infact I also find that there is not much left to post i mean everything is already available here.

What I suggest is you can keep a free section where old resources can be downloaded by members
old resources means which are posted 3 months and 6 months before.

and latest resources can only be downloaded by wealth points..

have a thought on this it is a good idea.. I can also help in managing this section.

JoeDOM_Admin · 2008-Oct-08, 01:51 AM

Tushar:

Thanks for the idea.
If you go to the Resource Requests section you will notice that there are "heaps"of stuff still in need for a medicine/fix/solution.

thefixx · 2008-Oct-08, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tushar

Infact I also find that there is not much left to post i mean everything is already available here.

What I suggest is you can keep a free section where old resources can be downloaded by members
old resources means which are posted 3 months and 6 months before.

and latest resources can only be downloaded by wealth points..

have a thought on this it is a good idea.. I can also help in managing this section.

With all due respect, do you have any evidence to support your claim that "everything is already available here?" Are you saying that if you did a search on Google for all financial software, all indicators and trading systems for all trading platforms, etc., everything returned by that search could be found here? Until you can offer some actual proof of this, this to represents to me the same "woe is me" attitude that I've seen so many newcomers here make for why they can't contribute and earn wealthpoints to buy what they want. I really dislike this attitude. We all start with 0 wealthpoints. So why is it that some newcomers complain about not being able to earn wealth while others don't complain, accept the rules that have been put in place and recognize that this forum, it's contributing members and most of all JoeDom are a blessing, and just go out and earn wealth? I'm not much of a cracker, yet I've been able to find a lot of stuff to post from different sources because I've been resourceful enough to think "out of the box" and earn more wealth than I know what to spend it on. I think too many newcomers come here thinking that it is their right to download what they want, so they complain that they can't earn any wealth or the cost of what they want is too high (which to me is nonsense since if they feel something is too high there is nothing stopping them from paying for what they want at full retail price with their own real money). What they fail to understand is that this forum is NOT an entitlement, but rather a privilege, and we have JoeDOM to thank for that. If JoeDOM wasn't here, this forum and all the opportunities and privlege's that go along with it would have vanished a long time ago.

As for making old resources free, this is also a bad idea. First, a resources that has been available for 3 to 6 months is hardly "old." Maybe 6 years, but certainly not 6 months. But in general this is not a good idea because it opens up a whole new can of worms. If resources that were only 3 to 6 months old were made free, all anyone would have to do is wait 3 to 6 months to get what they want, which defeats the whole purpose of wealthpoints and more importantly this forum since if everyone knew they didn't need to spend wealth points after a short period of time to get something they wanted, what incentive or motivation is there for anyone to contribute anything in order to get wealthpoints in the first place? No one would contribute anything, certainly nothing that took a lot of time and effort to crack, and this place would dry up fast. Second, you would be creating an administrative nightmare for JoeDOM, who would have to keep track of when every single resource would become free. But more importantly, if you make resources free after a waiting period, can you imagine all the people who spent wealthpoints on them before they were free contacting JoeDOM and asking for refunds on every one of them? It obviously wouldn't be fair to members who have shared their time and effort if a newcomer who had contributed nothing could simply wait a short period of time to get the same thing for free without doing anything that a contributing member had to pay wealth to get.

tushar · 2008-Oct-08, 11:22 AM

See as many indicators i know that all are available here. And by the way I have all of them.
And I am not fighting a case in court that i need proofs to prove.
I have respect for you that you earn wealthpoints. But what if all the things you have with you is already available here and still you want to try new things.
This wealth points is a good system. But there can be a free section for sure.
There are premium section and free sections on sites.
This is not an attitude this is a suggestion.
And it may be a bad idea for some but it will be a good idea for many new users as they will be more encouraged to post what they have as they get something from here.
And by the way I don't trade any markets of the world, it's just my passion to test new softwares, indicators,etc.
So if i don't get to test these it won't affect me a bit.
And always remeber that somebody has shared with you so you have that thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thefixx

With all due respect, do you have any evidence to support your claim that "everything is already available here?" Are you saying that if you did a search on Google for all financial software, all indicators and trading systems for all trading platforms, etc., everything returned by that search could be found here? Until you can offer some actual proof of this, this to represents to me the same "woe is me" attitude that I've seen so many newcomers here make for why they can't contribute and earn wealthpoints to buy what they want. I really dislike this attitude. We all start with 0 wealthpoints. So why is it that some newcomers complain about not being able to earn wealth while others don't complain, accept the rules that have been put in place and recognize that this forum, it's contributing members and most of all JoeDom are a blessing, and just go out and earn wealth? I'm not much of a cracker, yet I've been able to find a lot of stuff to post from different sources because I've been resourceful enough to think "out of the box" and earn more wealth than I know what to spend it on. I think too many newcomers come here thinking that it is their right to download what they want, so they complain that they can't earn any wealth or the cost of what they want is too high (which to me is nonsense since if they feel something is too high there is nothing stopping them from paying for what they want at full retail price with their own real money). What they fail to understand is that this forum is NOT an entitlement, but rather a privilege, and we have JoeDOM to thank for that. If JoeDOM wasn't here, this forum and all the opportunities and privlege's that go along with it would have vanished a long time ago.

As for making old resources free, this is also a bad idea. First, a resources that has been available for 3 to 6 months is hardly "old." Maybe 6 years, but certainly not 6 months. But in general this is not a good idea because it opens up a whole new can of worms. If resources that were only 3 to 6 months old were made free, all anyone would have to do is wait 3 to 6 months to get what they want, which defeats the whole purpose of wealthpoints and more importantly this forum since if everyone knew they didn't need to spend wealth points after a short period of time to get something they wanted, what incentive or motivation is there for anyone to contribute anything in order to get wealthpoints in the first place? No one would contribute anything, certainly nothing that took a lot of time and effort to crack, and this place would dry up fast. Second, you would be creating an administrative nightmare for JoeDOM, who would have to keep track of when every single resource would become free. But more importantly, if you make resources free after a waiting period, can you imagine all the people who spent wealthpoints on them before they were free contacting JoeDOM and asking for refunds on every one of them? It obviously wouldn't be fair to members who have shared their time and effort if a newcomer who had contributed nothing could simply wait a short period of time to get the same thing for free without doing anything that a contributing member had to pay wealth to get.

JoeDOM_Admin · 2008-Oct-08, 12:43 PM

Well,

Thefixx summarized in a very complete and overall manner all what I have tried to convey in my previous other threads. He explained my exact way of thinking. I should assign him as my spokesman.

Well, I have tried several times, in my quest to understand human behavior science, to classify the types of members that frequent these boards.

I can classify them as follows:
1. Beggar members
2. Resell members
3. Browser members
4. Cracker / Reverse Engineer members
5. Sharing/swapper members
6. Askers

There are several other types of member profiles more, but to keep it simple, I am going to expose these 6 main groups of members.

This forum's main interest is to try to attract members from groups 4 and 5. We try to detect group 2 using technology and some counter intelligence. We welcome group 3 because they can jump to any of the other groups once they decide(if ever) what they choose to be.

Unfortunately, groups 1, 2 and 6 are not our main interest to deal with but we need to keep them watched very closely.

One of the most important things I stress in this forum is discipline. I mean discipline in everything. From posting discipline to trading discipline.
In order to enforce discipline, we created the rules.
To show discipline, we follow standards in thread/posting presentation. So as you can see, we try to sweat it out by including images, filenames, descriptions, video previews and everything you can imagine in order to help the member decide in what to spend their Wealthpoints on.
We can easily go lazy and open up a basic forum and then just post the titles and an attachment with the download links inside the attached file. No descriptions, no images, no filenames, no nothing ! ! Just the title and the price requirement. That will make up for a very boring and dubious site though.

Or I can just choose the free route and let members exchange/post everything without any kind of regulation a la "free world" and you will immediately notice the kind of "mess" such an unregulated forum brings on. All beggars will be piling up trying to climb one over the other just to get something for free. Everyone will be posting untested links and with time, links expire and a new wave of late coming beggars and askers will start a new round crying for someone to reupload the dead link. In the meantime, the poor thread gets so long that is becomes difficult to read all the nonsense posting.

Not to say the "Zombie Thankers". These "Zombie Thankers" are the members who just like to post "Thank you" or "Thanks very much" messages that really annoys and helps no one other than to praise the ego of someone they don't even know and make the thread more difficult to read.
Want a sample of such "free world" forum ? ? Just browse to www.ewef.net and you will notice the chaos and riot undergoing there. Yes, you can find some goodies for free there, but do not expect heavy weight stuff posted there. Try to read that forum for some time and you will start to feel "left handed and driving in London". Not to say everyone there is giving you their backs because they are busy kneeling and praising one of their top staff who "happens " to be a cracker. They do nothing for themselves and believes this "person" will someday give out his software releases and "liberate them" from their sins.

So it is up to members decide what they want. They are free to go wherever they feel more comfortable.

lordbinder · 2008-Oct-08, 07:00 PM

the policy shoul be clear, if you cant sahre you shouldnt have free access, try to find in another froum free access and you wont. Either way some resources that are available for free around, are free access over here

"Zombie Thankers" I love that definition, thats a keeper

Camon people how can it be so hard? Im an economist and i can crack, as we say in my country "put half battery on it"

tushar · 2008-Oct-09, 12:27 AM

I think as an admin your stance for your forum is the best.
I have never seen such a nice way to handle forums really. So interactive.
Your disciple principle is very good.
But Joe try to understand my position and position of other new members, you assign me any task for the forum i can do it, but if i don't have the softwares , indicators to share what should i do.
Also I don't trade I just am in studying phase so I can't afford to buy softwares and indicators and share here.
If you tell me this is the sites search them and find all new softwares , indicators and test it and post here i can do that and earn wealthpoints.
regards

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeDOM_Admin

Well,

Thefixx summarized in a very complete and overall manner all what I have tried to convey in my previous other threads. He explained my exact way of thinking. I should assign him as my spokesman.

Well, I have tried several times, in my quest to understand human behavior science, to classify the types of members that frequent these boards.

I can classify them as follows:
1. Beggar members
2. Resell members
3. Browser members
4. Cracker / Reverse Engineer members
5. Sharing/swapper members
6. Askers

There are several other types of member profiles more, but to keep it simple, I am going to expose these 6 main groups of members.

This forum's main interest is to try to attract members from groups 4 and 5. We try to detect group 2 using technology and some counter intelligence. We welcome group 3 because they can jump to any of the other groups once they decide(if ever) what they choose to be.

Unfortunately, groups 1, 2 and 6 are not our main interest to deal with but we need to keep them watched very closely.

One of the most important things I stress in this forum is discipline. I mean discipline in everything. From posting discipline to trading discipline.
In order to enforce discipline, we created the rules.
To show discipline, we follow standards in thread/posting presentation. So as you can see, we try to sweat it out by including images, filenames, descriptions, video previews and everything you can imagine in order to help the member decide in what to spend their Wealthpoints on.
We can easily go lazy and open up a basic forum and then just post the titles and an attachment with the download links inside the attached file. No descriptions, no images, no filenames, no nothing ! ! Just the title and the price requirement. That will make up for a very boring and dubious site though.

Or I can just choose the free route and let members exchange/post everything without any kind of regulation a la "free world" and you will immediately notice the kind of "mess" such an unregulated forum brings on. All beggars will be piling up trying to climb one over the other just to get something for free. Everyone will be posting untested links and with time, links expire and a new wave of late coming beggars and askers will start a new round crying for someone to reupload the dead link. In the meantime, the poor thread gets so long that is becomes difficult to read all the nonsense posting.

Not to say the "Zombie Thankers". These "Zombie Thankers" are the members who just like to post "Thank you" or "Thanks very much" messages that really annoys and helps no one other than to praise the ego of someone they don't even know and make the thread more difficult to read.
Want a sample of such "free world" forum ? ? Just browse to www.ewef.net and you will notice the chaos and riot undergoing there. Yes, you can find some goodies for free there, but do not expect heavy weight stuff posted there. Try to read that forum for some time and you will start to feel "left handed and driving in London". Not to say everyone there is giving you their backs because they are busy kneeling and praising one of their top staff who "happens " to be a cracker. They do nothing for themselves and believes this "person" will someday give out his software releases and "liberate them" from their sins.

So it is up to members decide what they want. They are free to go wherever they feel more comfortable.

Texan · 2008-Oct-11, 03:00 PM

I believe that "Closed code' material should be accepted.

We are not all coders & we use them for better trading .

So many very useful tolls is not gonna be here because of this new rule.

For example maybe I have a retail product and many members looking for it.

But I can not share because I could not decompile the file?

Sincerely

S2FXpro · 2008-Oct-18, 11:55 PM

Hi,
How do i submit my Trading material ~ I know, it says read the forums etc etc... but to be honest ive been dabbling the forum to find my answers but nothing is clear...
I have Trading material to submit and to contribute to the forum, but When i go to the the forums to submit its not clear, one page says its not accepting new submissions, the other with outdated info..

Sorry for the rambling, but ive tried reading over the last few months but nothing is clear.. and then u get comments like read, and rad some more - would be good for a clear direction,

Any help would be appreciated

Thanks