Feedback and Comments for Wealthpoint Rules and Guidelines

[JoeDOM_Admin]

This is the place for you to discuss about our forum Wealthpoint Rules here:



http://www.friendlytraders.com/forum/2361_75/contributions-wealthpoints-rules-guidelines.html (http://www.friendlytraders.com/forum/2361_75/contributions-wealthpoints-rules-guidelines.html)

[__DBZ__]

Joe thanks a lot for your great work and the great forum you created.
Keep it rocking!!
Gracias!

[Christos]

Seems fair. Any ETA on getting caught up? I have a data submission awaiting approval from 5/22.

[aldebaran]

Members:

June 3 2008 Rules Addendum

Sub versions Awarding Rules

If you upload a newer version of a resource already available in our forum, you will not be awarded under the 1.5X-4.0X rule. This rule is implemented in order to avoid having members upload multiple sub versions of an expensive(20000+) resource and claiming high multiples of it constantly. We consider an expensive resource to any posted resource costing 20000 Wealthpoints or more.
Instead, the uploader of a higher sub version will be awarded 1/4 (one fourth) of the cost assigned to that resource.



JoeDOM, is it fairly? Let's think.

Member A contributes sub version of software A which costs for example 18000 Wealth. He gets minimum 27000 Wealth in reward (because 18000 is less than 20000 and this software is not expensive in your classification)

Member B contributes sub version of software B which costs for example 50000 Wealth. He gets 12500 Wealth in reward (because 50000 is greater than 20000 and this software is expensive in your classification).

So member A gets in more than two times less than member B although he contributes more expensive and valuable software!

So what we can do? I offer to change your rules in such way:

Sub versions Awarding Rules

If you upload a newer version of a resource already available in our forum, you will not be awarded under the 1.5X-4.0X rule. This rule is implemented in order to avoid having members upload multiple sub versions of an expensive(20000+) resource and claiming high multiples of it constantly. We consider an expensive resource to any posted resource costing 20000 Wealthpoints or more.
Instead, the uploader of a higher sub version will be awarded 1/4 (one fourth) of the cost assigned to that resource BUT NOT LESS THAN 30000 WEALTH (1.5 TIMES OF 20000 THRESHOLD).

So my offer is to set minimum amount of reward for valuable contributions to avoid situation when cheaper contribution gives to contributer more reward than more expensive contribution.

[JoeDOM_Admin]

I like to keep it simple. Previous yosewe(r.i.p.) pointing system was so complex that it needed programming to calculate it . And in the heat of moving posts and checking post formatting and all that, those rules really made me confuse myself even more. In paper it looked beautiful, but in practice, it was a nightmare.

Ok, I agree with you, Aldebaran, that my current threshold of 20000 W$ will make it unfair under certain special circumstances. And it is very true. I did not think nor considered addressing about those special cases you exposed in your reply post.
Unfortunately your proposition of implementing the 30000 W$ threshold still imposes even more complexity to our contribution system.
See, if we start to make more and more special cases and "exceptions" our awarding/cost setting rules will start to be shapeless and confusing as hell.

My proposition to fix this issue is this:

Instead of 1/4 of the cost with a 20000 W$ threshold, I plan to do the following:

1/3 of the cost assigned for sub versions without any threashold at all ! ! ! !

So if you upload a resource considered a sub version, even if it has a cost set to 500W$, you will get 1/3 of 500W$ which is 167W$.
Keep in mind the following:
The higher the sub version, they higher you can earn ! !
As an example, take a look at the three versions of Owndata we currently got in our forum. Each higher version has different costs. The newer the version, the more cost it has(obviously). So if you achieve to upload a higher sub version, you will undoubtely get to earn higher W$ under the 1/3 rule. No need to second guess and remember silly 20000 thresholds anymore ! ! !

[aldebaran]

1/3 of the cost assigned for sub versions without any threashold at all ! ! ! !

So if you upload a resource considered a sub version, even if it has a cost set to 500W$, you will get 1/3 of 500W$ which is 167W$.


OK, but don't you think that in such case it is fairly to let those who download previous version of software to download newer sub version also for 1/3 of its cost? If it's impossible to do in common way via forum maybe it can be done via private support section with help of Admin?

[JoeDOM_Admin]

Aldebaran:

It would be a management nightmare.
I will have to keep track of what every member has downloaded in the past and "manually" make the 1/3 cut, which is cumbersome.

Sure, it can be done, but not for the moment, when I got the opportunity to develop the forum software, it can be considered a possibility.

[mojoko]

hello,

i am new here. as far as i can see, there is no other way than sharing new softwares with working crack/patch or similar.

so, what can newbie like me do something to earn points besides the predeterminded rules in the other thread?

thanks.

[JoeDOM_Admin]

We are working on a solution but there is no "real" solution for members who really have nothing to contribute.
And worse is that every day that passes the slope is tilting even more out of favor from the newcomer with nothing to share.
Even I cannot escape this black hole of swirling content that increases its suction energy with every contributon it absorbs.
It is like escaping from the laws of physics on earth. Just impossible.
That is why I need to brainstorm in order to find a clever way to redirect this suction energy from ever increasing resources and help the newcomer.
Also, the problem I have is that I need to test/upload/fix posts/answer support, etc, etc the whole day and that leaves me with very little time to brainstorm or further develop the forum technology.

[tushar]

Infact I also find that there is not much left to post i mean everything is already available here.

What I suggest is you can keep a free section where old resources can be downloaded by members
old resources means which are posted 3 months and 6 months before.

and latest resources can only be downloaded by wealth points..

have a thought on this it is a good idea.. I can also help in managing this section.:rockon:

[JoeDOM_Admin]

Tushar:

Thanks for the idea.
If you go to the Resource Requests section (http://www.friendlytraders.com/forum/73-resource-requests) you will notice that there are "heaps"of stuff still in need for a medicine/fix/solution.

[thefixx]

Infact I also find that there is not much left to post i mean everything is already available here.

What I suggest is you can keep a free section where old resources can be downloaded by members
old resources means which are posted 3 months and 6 months before.

and latest resources can only be downloaded by wealth points..

have a thought on this it is a good idea.. I can also help in managing this section.:rockon:


With all due respect, do you have any evidence to support your claim that "everything is already available here?" Are you saying that if you did a search on Google for all financial software, all indicators and trading systems for all trading platforms, etc., everything returned by that search could be found here? Until you can offer some actual proof of this, this to represents to me the same "woe is me" attitude that I've seen so many newcomers here make for why they can't contribute and earn wealthpoints to buy what they want. I really dislike this attitude. We all start with 0 wealthpoints. So why is it that some newcomers complain about not being able to earn wealth while others don't complain, accept the rules that have been put in place and recognize that this forum, it's contributing members and most of all JoeDom are a blessing, and just go out and earn wealth? I'm not much of a cracker, yet I've been able to find a lot of stuff to post from different sources because I've been resourceful enough to think "out of the box" and earn more wealth than I know what to spend it on. I think too many newcomers come here thinking that it is their right to download what they want, so they complain that they can't earn any wealth or the cost of what they want is too high (which to me is nonsense since if they feel something is too high there is nothing stopping them from paying for what they want at full retail price with their own real money). What they fail to understand is that this forum is NOT an entitlement, but rather a privilege, and we have JoeDOM to thank for that. If JoeDOM wasn't here, this forum and all the opportunities and privlege's that go along with it would have vanished a long time ago.

As for making old resources free, this is also a bad idea. First, a resources that has been available for 3 to 6 months is hardly "old." Maybe 6 years, but certainly not 6 months. But in general this is not a good idea because it opens up a whole new can of worms. If resources that were only 3 to 6 months old were made free, all anyone would have to do is wait 3 to 6 months to get what they want, which defeats the whole purpose of wealthpoints and more importantly this forum since if everyone knew they didn't need to spend wealth points after a short period of time to get something they wanted, what incentive or motivation is there for anyone to contribute anything in order to get wealthpoints in the first place? No one would contribute anything, certainly nothing that took a lot of time and effort to crack, and this place would dry up fast. Second, you would be creating an administrative nightmare for JoeDOM, who would have to keep track of when every single resource would become free. But more importantly, if you make resources free after a waiting period, can you imagine all the people who spent wealthpoints on them before they were free contacting JoeDOM and asking for refunds on every one of them? It obviously wouldn't be fair to members who have shared their time and effort if a newcomer who had contributed nothing could simply wait a short period of time to get the same thing for free without doing anything that a contributing member had to pay wealth to get.

[tushar]

See as many indicators i know that all are available here. And by the way I have all of them.
And I am not fighting a case in court that i need proofs to prove.
I have respect for you that you earn wealthpoints. But what if all the things you have with you is already available here and still you want to try new things.
This wealth points is a good system. But there can be a free section for sure.
There are premium section and free sections on sites.
This is not an attitude this is a suggestion.
And it may be a bad idea for some but it will be a good idea for many new users as they will be more encouraged to post what they have as they get something from here.
And by the way I don't trade any markets of the world, it's just my passion to test new softwares, indicators,etc.
So if i don't get to test these it won't affect me a bit.
And always remeber that somebody has shared with you so you have that thing.
With all due respect, do you have any evidence to support your claim that "everything is already available here?" Are you saying that if you did a search on Google for all financial software, all indicators and trading systems for all trading platforms, etc., everything returned by that search could be found here? Until you can offer some actual proof of this, this to represents to me the same "woe is me" attitude that I've seen so many newcomers here make for why they can't contribute and earn wealthpoints to buy what they want. I really dislike this attitude. We all start with 0 wealthpoints. So why is it that some newcomers complain about not being able to earn wealth while others don't complain, accept the rules that have been put in place and recognize that this forum, it's contributing members and most of all JoeDom are a blessing, and just go out and earn wealth? I'm not much of a cracker, yet I've been able to find a lot of stuff to post from different sources because I've been resourceful enough to think "out of the box" and earn more wealth than I know what to spend it on. I think too many newcomers come here thinking that it is their right to download what they want, so they complain that they can't earn any wealth or the cost of what they want is too high (which to me is nonsense since if they feel something is too high there is nothing stopping them from paying for what they want at full retail price with their own real money). What they fail to understand is that this forum is NOT an entitlement, but rather a privilege, and we have JoeDOM to thank for that. If JoeDOM wasn't here, this forum and all the opportunities and privlege's that go along with it would have vanished a long time ago.

As for making old resources free, this is also a bad idea. First, a resources that has been available for 3 to 6 months is hardly "old." Maybe 6 years, but certainly not 6 months. But in general this is not a good idea because it opens up a whole new can of worms. If resources that were only 3 to 6 months old were made free, all anyone would have to do is wait 3 to 6 months to get what they want, which defeats the whole purpose of wealthpoints and more importantly this forum since if everyone knew they didn't need to spend wealth points after a short period of time to get something they wanted, what incentive or motivation is there for anyone to contribute anything in order to get wealthpoints in the first place? No one would contribute anything, certainly nothing that took a lot of time and effort to crack, and this place would dry up fast. Second, you would be creating an administrative nightmare for JoeDOM, who would have to keep track of when every single resource would become free. But more importantly, if you make resources free after a waiting period, can you imagine all the people who spent wealthpoints on them before they were free contacting JoeDOM and asking for refunds on every one of them? It obviously wouldn't be fair to members who have shared their time and effort if a newcomer who had contributed nothing could simply wait a short period of time to get the same thing for free without doing anything that a contributing member had to pay wealth to get.

[JoeDOM_Admin]

Well, :lol:

Thefixx summarized in a very complete and overall manner all what I have tried to convey in my previous other threads. He explained my exact way of thinking. I should assign him as my spokesman.

Well, I have tried several times, in my quest to understand human behavior science, to classify the types of members that frequent these boards.

I can classify them as follows:
1. Beggar members
2. Resell members
3. Browser members
4. Cracker / Reverse Engineer members
5. Sharing/swapper members
6. Askers

There are several other types of member profiles more, but to keep it simple, I am going to expose these 6 main groups of members.

This forum's main interest is to try to attract members from groups 4 and 5. We try to detect group 2 using technology and some counter intelligence. We welcome group 3 because they can jump to any of the other groups once they decide(if ever) what they choose to be.

Unfortunately, groups 1, 2 and 6 are not our main interest to deal with but we need to keep them watched very closely.

One of the most important things I stress in this forum is discipline. I mean discipline in everything. From posting discipline to trading discipline.
In order to enforce discipline, we created the rules.
To show discipline, we follow standards in thread/posting presentation. So as you can see, we try to sweat it out by including images, filenames, descriptions, video previews and everything you can imagine in order to help the member decide in what to spend their Wealthpoints on.
We can easily go lazy and open up a basic forum and then just post the titles and an attachment with the download links inside the attached file. No descriptions, no images, no filenames, no nothing ! ! Just the title and the price requirement. That will make up for a very boring and dubious site though.

Or I can just choose the free route and let members exchange/post everything without any kind of regulation a la "free world" and you will immediately notice the kind of "mess" such an unregulated forum brings on. All beggars will be piling up trying to climb one over the other just to get something for free. Everyone will be posting untested links and with time, links expire and a new wave of late coming beggars and askers will start a new round crying for someone to reupload the dead link. In the meantime, the poor thread gets so long that is becomes difficult to read all the nonsense posting.

Not to say the "Zombie Thankers". These "Zombie Thankers" are the members who just like to post "Thank you" or "Thanks very much" messages that really annoys and helps no one other than to praise the ego of someone they don't even know and make the thread more difficult to read.
Want a sample of such "free world" forum ? ? Just browse to www.ewef.net (http://www.ewef.net) and you will notice the chaos and riot undergoing there. Yes, you can find some goodies for free there, but do not expect heavy weight stuff posted there. Try to read that forum for some time and you will start to feel "left handed and driving in London". Not to say everyone there is giving you their backs because they are busy kneeling and praising one of their top staff who "happens " to be a cracker. They do nothing for themselves and believes this "person" will someday give out his software releases and "liberate them" from their sins.

So it is up to members decide what they want. They are free to go wherever they feel more comfortable.

[lordbinder]

the policy shoul be clear, if you cant sahre you shouldnt have free access, try to find in another froum free access and you wont. Either way some resources that are available for free around, are free access over here

"Zombie Thankers" I love that definition, thats a keeper

Camon people how can it be so hard? Im an economist and i can crack, as we say in my country "put half battery on it"

[tushar]

I think as an admin your stance for your forum is the best.
I have never seen such a nice way to handle forums really. So interactive.
Your disciple principle is very good.
But Joe try to understand my position and position of other new members, you assign me any task for the forum i can do it, but if i don't have the softwares , indicators to share what should i do.
Also I don't trade I just am in studying phase so I can't afford to buy softwares and indicators and share here.
If you tell me this is the sites search them and find all new softwares , indicators and test it and post here i can do that and earn wealthpoints.
regards


Well, :lol:

Thefixx summarized in a very complete and overall manner all what I have tried to convey in my previous other threads. He explained my exact way of thinking. I should assign him as my spokesman.

Well, I have tried several times, in my quest to understand human behavior science, to classify the types of members that frequent these boards.

I can classify them as follows:
1. Beggar members
2. Resell members
3. Browser members
4. Cracker / Reverse Engineer members
5. Sharing/swapper members
6. Askers

There are several other types of member profiles more, but to keep it simple, I am going to expose these 6 main groups of members.

This forum's main interest is to try to attract members from groups 4 and 5. We try to detect group 2 using technology and some counter intelligence. We welcome group 3 because they can jump to any of the other groups once they decide(if ever) what they choose to be.

Unfortunately, groups 1, 2 and 6 are not our main interest to deal with but we need to keep them watched very closely.

One of the most important things I stress in this forum is discipline. I mean discipline in everything. From posting discipline to trading discipline.
In order to enforce discipline, we created the rules.
To show discipline, we follow standards in thread/posting presentation. So as you can see, we try to sweat it out by including images, filenames, descriptions, video previews and everything you can imagine in order to help the member decide in what to spend their Wealthpoints on.
We can easily go lazy and open up a basic forum and then just post the titles and an attachment with the download links inside the attached file. No descriptions, no images, no filenames, no nothing ! ! Just the title and the price requirement. That will make up for a very boring and dubious site though.

Or I can just choose the free route and let members exchange/post everything without any kind of regulation a la "free world" and you will immediately notice the kind of "mess" such an unregulated forum brings on. All beggars will be piling up trying to climb one over the other just to get something for free. Everyone will be posting untested links and with time, links expire and a new wave of late coming beggars and askers will start a new round crying for someone to reupload the dead link. In the meantime, the poor thread gets so long that is becomes difficult to read all the nonsense posting.

Not to say the "Zombie Thankers". These "Zombie Thankers" are the members who just like to post "Thank you" or "Thanks very much" messages that really annoys and helps no one other than to praise the ego of someone they don't even know and make the thread more difficult to read.
Want a sample of such "free world" forum ? ? Just browse to www.ewef.net (http://www.ewef.net) and you will notice the chaos and riot undergoing there. Yes, you can find some goodies for free there, but do not expect heavy weight stuff posted there. Try to read that forum for some time and you will start to feel "left handed and driving in London". Not to say everyone there is giving you their backs because they are busy kneeling and praising one of their top staff who "happens " to be a cracker. They do nothing for themselves and believes this "person" will someday give out his software releases and "liberate them" from their sins.

So it is up to members decide what they want. They are free to go wherever they feel more comfortable.

[Texan]

I believe that "Closed code' material should be accepted.

We are not all coders & we use them for better trading .

So many very useful tolls is not gonna be here because of this new rule.

For example maybe I have a retail product and many members looking for it.

But I can not share because I could not decompile the file?

Sincerely

[S2FXpro]

Hi,
How do i submit my Trading material ~ I know, it says read the forums etc etc... but to be honest ive been dabbling the forum to find my answers but nothing is clear...
I have Trading material to submit and to contribute to the forum, but When i go to the the forums to submit its not clear, one page says its not accepting new submissions, the other with outdated info..

Sorry for the rambling, but ive tried reading over the last few months but nothing is clear.. and then u get comments like read, and rad some more - would be good for a clear direction,

Any help would be appreciated

Thanks

[JoeDOM_Admin]

S2FxPro:

You are right, seems like forum growth and software changes are outpacing our rules.
But every time I see new submitters, I try to be more tolerant with them until about the 4th post. I f they keep submitting nonsense and freeware, then I put them a brake with a Private Message warning. If they still don't understand after the warning, then more severe limitations come and so on. Until a ban :lol:

If you have trading materials other than ebooks/seminars/courses/multimedia , then you are "invited" to make a first post. Just make sure you have searched for it beforehand to avoid contributing something from a previous poster who could have already contributed it in the past.
So go ahead and I will be waiting for your shiny new first post. Once you have posted it, make sure to visit back the post you made and look for repies in the post you created, when we have doubts or testing problems we post replies and only you and our staff can read those conversations.:rockon:

[S2FXpro]

Hi Admin,
Thanks for the fast reply, much appreciated. I understand than submitting nonsense and freeware material is a NO NO as you can get it from anywhere.

Submitting good quality material is the key to earn good points.


Admin, You mentioned if i have trading material other than ebooks/seminars/courses/multimedia then its ok...

- Does this mean i can only submit software programs?
- What if i have purchased a course in the past e.g. a complete course explaining a strategy in an ebook or say a complete course explaining how to trade the markets, or CD/DVD or videos, that is of value and not submitted before.
Can i upload these? As most courses/systems/strategies come via ebook/CDs/DVDs/etc..

Any info on what i can submit would be helpful

Regards

[jconnor]

I think the rules for earning Wealth points is very hard for late newcomers because, typically, as is my case, most software circulating in the net will have already been posted. So, we are basically excluded from participating in the community unless we find something extraordinary.

Otherwise the rules are so rigid that the site owners or administrators will be the ones who will benefit the most in the end, by acquiring for free a huge collection of software.

[S2FXpro]

absolutely jconner,
Im a late comer, and i do have quite afew trading material, both bought and aquired from the internet. But most of it has been posted so therefore lose out on alot of points.
To even get some points now is difficult as most of the items have been posted and there is little benefit to the newcomer unless he pulls something out of the bag.

Any info would be good.

Thanks

[jconnor]

Yes.

Also most people who have uploaded software, had probably got them out of free sources such as Torrents, eMule or Usenet. So, why would a late newcomer share his/her bought software or data if they will get only a few Wealth points that won't enable them to download most of the software that is available on the site?

Therefore the Wealthpoint rules are such that only the website owners, administrators and early members who were able to upload lots of stuff will be able to benefit from the content. So, I guess the rigid rules limit the growth of the community and don't encourage late newcomers to share their files.

Late newcomers would better switch to true peer to peer networks such as Torrents, eMule and Usenet.

Best regards.

[lascavel]

Good day all,

I totally agree with Jconnor & S2FXPRO. I am in the same predicament too.

What else can i summit now? I have now in my hands MTpredictor, Dynamic trader, Trading solutions, Elwave, AdvanceGet, Doubleplay , Fractal wizard to name a few. ALL of which is latest version & all can be found here. So what am I as a latecomer to do but to wait, for the latest & greatest & grab it fast so I can be the first in line to share it here in order to gain points.

thefixx has his point too, but then so does his 162250 wealth points to speak of, so to him he work hard to get his stuff to be share out. So you goto be faster then him to grab the stuff from 1 or 2 reliable sources from the WEB which we all have the same access to & submit it here fast. The Web might be huge but we are all getting more or less the same version of things from the same sources.

In my country we have GPS mapping web site that share the latest GPS map for both new & older members but only those who have contributed 2 useful updates to the map are eligible for the latest monthly updates, but new comers can get the 6 or 9 month old version for free.

Oh well I am still left with an interesting ebook on fractals trading that maybe I can contribute but I goto be fast now

Have a nice day!

Yes.

Also most people who have uploaded software, had probably got them out of free sources such as Torrents, eMule or Usenet. So, why would a late newcomer share his/her bought software or data if they will get only a few Wealth points that won't enable them to download most of the software that is available on the site?

Therefore the Wealthpoint rules are such that only the website owners, administrators and early members who were able to upload lots of stuff will be able to benefit from the content. So, I guess the rigid rules limit the growth of the community and don't encourage late newcomers to share their files.

Late newcomers would better switch to true peer to peer networks such as Torrents, eMule and Usenet.

Best regards.

[coolbolly]

Hi joe dom

I find your wealthpoints system quite rigid and unsupportive to members (both new & old). As a post a software from which i get wealthpoints, i cant buy my software especially in sub versions.

I believe if one post a software he must get 3 times or 4 times of weathpoints for which his software is sold , it means he can buy 3 or 4 same level of softwares.

But in current wealthpoints system ( especially in sub versions) u have to upload about 3 or 4 software to buy same level of softwares:eek: that quite unfair on your part. Softwares compaines generally releases subversions.

[JoeDOM_Admin]

Coolbolly:

It depends on what you contribute, for example, some members earn good W$ like 10000+ because they contribute unique stuff and hard to find items.

Others contribute midrange items and get in the range of 3000 W$.

As far as you, I dont see you have ever contributed anything worthy and you are the first asking for more awards. The other members who have contributed a lot havent even complained but you are complaining first while not having posted anything worthy.

If I ever raise awards, I better award my contributing members who have shown good track record instead of members like you who do not seem to contribute and come here aksing for better awards.
Our current awards is very generous at 1.5X minimum from what is set as the cost. Also, if we raise the cost, we award you the difference so members feel happy being awarded more if the cost raises. Also we test the resources we get and this is another layer of "quality" from us. I wish you had the opportunity to test 5-6 resources every day and will soon see it is a tiresome job and we also sometimes screw up our tests having to recur to "refunds".

Currently our forum is closed for the public to register, so if new members want to register they need to be interviewed by me beforehand. I do this to make sure "punks" don't come and swamp the forum with silly posts and "useless thank you messages" all over the place.

Given all these benefts, I dont undestand why you still complain ? ?

[thefixx]

Hi joe dom

I find your wealthpoints system quite rigid and unsupportive to members (both new & old). As a post a software from which i get wealthpoints, i cant buy my software especially in sub versions.

I believe if one post a software he must get 3 times or 4 times of weathpoints for which his software is sold , it means he can buy 3 or 4 same level of softwares.

But in current wealthpoints system ( especially in sub versions) u have to upload about 3 or 4 software to buy same level of softwares:eek: that quite unfair on your part. Softwares compaines generally releases subversions.

Coolboy,

You should consider yourself extremely forunate that you even have access to a fourm like this. If you don't like the way the system is set up, there's nothing stopping you from starting your own forum and making your own rules. Otherwise, don't bite the hand that feeds you.

[profitonfx]

Coolboy

even if it is unfair rules are rules.

The owner make rules that we have to follow and probably i ll newer get all stuff here that i would like to have it because mostly all stuff that i have are already posted and videos are not accepted.

I don't bother with fact what can i get and what not . I will do my best and i hope my contribution will be in benefit of all user (i know mostly for administrators and peoples with no limit access) but that's life.

If you don't like it you can open your own forum and make your rules.

[nickgurtsu]

Coolboy
probably i ll newer get all stuff here that i would like to have

there is many of us like you, the stuff we submit does not earn enough points to get what we need

It would be nice if the site could accept donations via pay pal we could earn wealth points that way

[hockeydoug]

I agree. A donation option would be huge, and benefit the site as well. Most of the high end trackers I belong to offer this type of option. I am a big seeder, others are contributors, and most all the trackers have grouop buy options which benefit all members. I undersatnd you want to make members "value" their membership, but with this current system, most don't feel they will ever have a chance to gain any benefit, so they end up contributing nothing rather then be a benefit to the community. My 2 cents.

[eckiecki]

Yes, hockeydoug...it seems that a donation system using real money could help
both sides. I guess more than 90 % of all members are now not able to post new
stuff. That means the poor stay poor and the riches always get richer (by wealthpoints).
Beside this I am missing an honest discussion about the usefulness of certain programs.
Who really made money by using program X or Y? Which programs are (close to) scam?
But I think this belongs to another thread.

[joe_DOM]

Our community is for swapping only.
We do not deal with any monetary interest at all.

Wealthpoints is the only currency we got and the only way to earn Wealthpoints is to contribute unique trading related resources (read the rules):lol:

[bezoris]

Hi Joe.

I hope it doesn't seem like we're all grumbling and griping... I'm a big fan of the general concept, but it does seem almost impossible for latecomers to generate enough Wealthpoints to qualify for a few choice downloads (i.e., 90,000 for software 'X').

And no, I'm not a wannabe - I contribute to several other scenes, have RC'd platforms in the past, and possess most of the latest financial software available (which, of course, is all available at FriendlyTraders.com).

On the other hand, I believe that I understand what you're trying to do here... and I generally applaud that mission. As you've explained, you're really just looking for providers and crackers at this point, with the admirable goal of disseminating expensive financial software to the widest possible audience. A select few early adopters have obviously benefited greatly from all their INO.TV, MetaTrader 4 and PDF uploads.

But at this point the system seems designed to sustain exactly that which you originally set out to undo - you've established an artificial economy (Wealthpoints) in which 'the few' (Early Adopters) take advantage of 'the many' (latecomers) with increasingly blatant division. I'm not sure that you can ultimately satisfy both camps.

It's the distribution model, really, that can't scale or sustain itself - exponential growth / limited resources. It's the same in a P2P network, except that, while we may be sharing the same resources, we're rewarded with access for contributing to the overall efficiency of the network.

I think that in the long run you might serve your core group best (at the expense of newbies) by going to a P2P model and even a private tracker.

Just my 2 cents.

Best wishes, Christopher

PS. Yes hockeydoug... I just noticed that you stated my essential points in a much more direct manner. I couldn't agree more.

[joe_DOM]

I am starting to believe that no P2P, torrent, share your soul tid for tad model can work with financial softwares.
The financial softwares arena is a special one. Special because it has what I call the "GREED"factor attached all over it. Greed is what destroys this scene. And will keep destroying it for years to come. It corrupts admins, moderators and initially well intentioned members into green thirsty monsters with long fingernails. It rusts our souls badly and corrodes our good thinkings.

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Moreover, the P2P and the Torrent models are too easy to hack and cheat and find loopholes. I have myself cheated at contribution supported torrent sites without even touching my ratio. I cannot believe how people can pay for these torrent sites.
Also, the torrent traffic can be blocked and there are several well known and big ISPs that, using latest packet analyzing routers, can detect the torrent packet and slow it down to a crawl. Even encryhpting the torrent data packet, it can be detected. The only way to work around it is to pay for a VPN and encrypt your data to the VPN yourself and make the VPN connect to the torrent.
This is the trend. My main problem here is not in transfers or bandwidth, my problem is in testing stuff people send to me. That is my biggest bottleneck.

There will be big changes coming soon. For the multimedia lovers, it will be a splendid idea. For the ones who just intend to upload cheap videos or ebooks in exchange for W$, it will be a big deception.

[bezoris]

Right you are... death to all bloodsuckers! (Leeches, etc.) And most ISPs do now conduct packet sniffing and throttle connection speed.

Have you thought about setting up a secure VM to get some help with submission testing? Maybe you do this already. Just a thought...

You could also do something like grant approved members 'ownership' of their submissions, with penalties for verified bad uploads (maybe a WP reduction or something along that line). That way you wouldn't have to test all submissions, only those with negative flags (something like an Ebay arbitration policy based on negative feedback).

Looking forward to the changes... take care.

[FritzFratz]

This is a funny community, it seems that cracked software is the carrot, but the carrot is on the stick and besides those that put up the carrot, everybody seems to be sucking eggs.

What's the purpose of putting up all this software when the people that put it up are not even making money from it, know how to make money from it, or even intend to make money from it, and the software is not available to the majority of the community ? I thought "Friendly Traders" would be about making money not accumulating software !!!

What about wealthpoints being awarded for a money making concept that works and can be replicated instead of just the software itself. If the software is not making money then it is useless and of no value.

[bareltullball]

I agree that if you don't have any software to share (anything new at least), your chance for making wealthpoints are low. I would love to contribute to the community in any way possible, so if there is anything I can do to help around here Joe, please let me know.
I just want to add that without the wealthpoint system, there would be mostly lechers around here.. so that's not an alternative either.. :) Marry Christmas